tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18376180.post116060608170889985..comments2023-12-15T00:28:13.378-08:00Comments on Federalist Society -- University of Washington Chapter: Darcy Burner and Her Thugs "Debate"Juvenalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13395140346798161677noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18376180.post-1161019285648142852006-10-16T10:21:00.000-07:002006-10-16T10:21:00.000-07:00Anonymous, I'm very far from the best speller in t...Anonymous, I'm very far from the best speller in the world, but it's habeAs. And please see <A HREF="http://uwfedsoc.blogspot.com/2006/10/life-and-death-of-habeas-corpus.html" REL="nofollow">my post above</A> if you actually wish to understand and debate this particular issue, as opposed to anonymously spewing embarassingly uninformed opinions someone told you to have.Orrin Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10382255042012493580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18376180.post-1160893957038261322006-10-14T23:32:00.000-07:002006-10-14T23:32:00.000-07:00But she has dull, lifeless hair....But she has dull, lifeless hair....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18376180.post-1160887037570266562006-10-14T21:37:00.000-07:002006-10-14T21:37:00.000-07:00Well, I for one CAN choose between Darcy and Dave....Well, I for one CAN choose between Darcy and Dave. And I'm pretty clear on who I'll choose as a citizen of the 8th district. More than knowing that, for the first time, I've contributed to a political campaign. It happened the day that Reichert sold out our constitution to please his masters. Yup, you know what I mean no doubt.... selling our right to privacy and habeus corpus downstream. That's enough for a NEGATIVE vote in any true Americans mind. Perhaps you missed that class in law school..... I had intended to donate to Darcy's campaign (and no I don't work for microsoft). After that, I donated twice as much as I originally intended to, though it's a strain on my budget this month.<BR/><BR/>Pretty much, Darcy was much more credible in the debate than Reichert and much clearer in her communication style. She also lines up pretty well with my values on most of the issues discussed. Darcy has MY Vote!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18376180.post-1160876465224854562006-10-14T18:41:00.000-07:002006-10-14T18:41:00.000-07:00...And a guy with GREAT HAIR!...And a guy with GREAT HAIR!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18376180.post-1160871874333582612006-10-14T17:24:00.000-07:002006-10-14T17:24:00.000-07:00Good lord. Her use of the term "businesswoman" wa...Good lord. Her use of the term "businesswoman" was even looser than I thought.<BR/><BR/>It bothers me that someone would think trying to drown out a candidate at a debate is "normal." It's not a rally. It's a debate. I've seen a lot of political debates, and I'd never seen anything like that before. I've linked to the video if anyone doubts the one-sidedness of it. The P-I seemed to agree, and they're not exactly a right wing shill.<BR/><BR/>Darcy doesn't want people to know her true job history, education background, or even her own current campaign events. She doesn't want anyone to even hear the other side, and when it gets through the din, she vilifies the speaker. She's fantastic at memorizing canned responses - not a skill that matters in the slightest in the real world of law making. Give me a guy with a long history of public service who brings notes and double checks his numbers over an over handled novice with an elastic resume any day.Orrin Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10382255042012493580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18376180.post-1160848677986605732006-10-14T10:57:00.000-07:002006-10-14T10:57:00.000-07:00I am a resident of the 8th District and a Microsof...I am a resident of the 8th District and a Microsoft employee, a Group Program Manager - the division where Darcy Burner worked. After hearing claims and public references to her as a former Microsoft executive and from her web site http://www.darcyburner.com/about.php "Darcy went to work for Microsoft in 2000 and became the lead manager for an initiative to change the way software was built. " I couldn't believe it. She was only a "Program Manager" for a logo program. see http://blogs.msdn.com/darcyburner/default.aspx <BR/><BR/>A Program Manager is mostly an entry level job at Microsoft and as I recall, she seemed an average employee and the program was during her tenure, not especially successful. Darcy was not an execuitive and she certainly did not impact the way software was build, nor in this capacity was she considered a "Lead Product Manager" for .Net as described in wikipedia. Microsoft has thousands of program managers and this is not in any way considered an exec job, neither is marketing a logo. Resume misrepresentation can be a firing offense at Microsoft and I don't believe it qualifies Darcy for congress.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18376180.post-1160712918372943172006-10-12T21:15:00.000-07:002006-10-12T21:15:00.000-07:00To anonymous,You dont even know what you are talki...To anonymous,<BR/><BR/>You dont even know what you are talking about when you say that Dave was looking at his notes for every single question. If you did notice all public speakers carry notes with them to refer to true facts not something made up off the top of their heads. AKA BS. <BR/>And Darcy only told the her thugs to quiet down when it was her turn to speak. If you ask me you could group democrats in to sterotypical group called. RUDE PEOPLE. I guess its only free speach if your are one of them.<BR/>Oh and by the way it is better not to answer a question then to BS your way through one. There were several questions that she did not even come close to answering.<BR/>SO THEREAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18376180.post-1160701370289590242006-10-12T18:02:00.000-07:002006-10-12T18:02:00.000-07:00I don't know whom of you was at the debate, but th...I don't know whom of you was at the debate, but there are some mistakes in the original post. Dave Reichert brought up a massive notebook onto the stage and had to flip to the right page and look at the talking points for every single question. Darcy didn't even bring a piece of paper. As far as the "thugs," there were plenty of reichert supporters who were also rowdy. Darcy told the crowd 3 different times to stop it. This is a normal part of public appearences in politics, especially at debates. <BR/>As far as Reichert being an "adult"...that is defenitely what i was thinking when he was almost yelling during his final statement or when he wouldnt even answer a question...i have never been to a debate or seen one on TV where the person asctually passed on a question.<BR/><BR/>As far as taxes go; "burden" and % are two whole differnt things. Paying a higher percentage and the "burden" you face are completely differnt. ANyways were in a war right now and we should all have to make some sacrifices, especially those who are millionaires.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18376180.post-1160692502814464772006-10-12T15:35:00.000-07:002006-10-12T15:35:00.000-07:00I don't really care how "brite" or "smart" Ms. Bur...I don't really care how "brite" or "smart" Ms. Burner is... she's an airhead with zero common sense. My niece is a brilliant vascular surgeon... but she's also about as naive as they come and her views on most topics are illogical and idiotic. I still love her... but I wouldn't vote for her if she were running for Congress and I won't vote for airhead Burner either. God help us if she wins as we'll certainly need it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18376180.post-1160689790244501032006-10-12T14:49:00.000-07:002006-10-12T14:49:00.000-07:00Orrin Johnson's post sounds like sour grapes. A sm...Orrin Johnson's post sounds like sour grapes. A smart, ambitious progressive has made a horserace out of what should have been a cake walk for Reichert. You can either credit Darcy for running one hell of a campaign, or blame Reichert for totally mismanaging his. Otherwise how do you explain it being a toss-up?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18376180.post-1160679287670792532006-10-12T11:54:00.000-07:002006-10-12T11:54:00.000-07:00Excellent post Orrin. I've gathered all of what ...Excellent post Orrin. I've gathered all of what you write0 from listening to Darcy Burner and reading about her campaign over the past several months, but it's nice to hear my conclusions validated by someone who actually was her peer in an everyday setting and who attemtpted to debate her in law school. <BR/><BR/>We've all had the same debates with many on the left. They go nowhere and they are all predicated on blind hatred on the part of the person we are debating against. Try to have a debate with someone on the left who has bought in to the 9/11 "Truth" movement!! No amount of rational persuading can convince them it's not a conspiracy. It's just Bush hatred and America hatred in a crescendo until they are unwilling to listen any longer.<BR/><BR/>I've noticed that more and more it's impossible for Americans to continue rational debate with the left. That's why we must jettison the left continually at election time. I challenge everyone to pick any issue and think about how it is considered from the left and right. You will find that on the right there is a vigorous, yet rational debate between moderates and more conservative folks. But on the left, there's a shrill extremism that goes out of the reality and into the irrational. <BR/><BR/>Orrin listed many such issues, Illegal immigration, Social Security, etc. but the shrill unwillingness for the left to engage in debate goes further to nearly every issue. The left does not live in the spirit of compromise and persuasion that is the hallmark of American Civics, it's their way or the highway. <BR/><BR/>The left knows that they are outcast and mistrusted. They know they are viewed as irrational thugs and moonbats. The mainstream media journalists who are largely apologists and conveyers of the left's message also know that they are increasingly marginalized. They know they do not hold a candle to Fox News, talk radio and bloggers. What we are witnessing from the left is an all-out, go-for-broke style attack on conservatives that has removed any former sense of decent debate rules, balance of free speech, restraint, lack of physical threat, refrain from ad hominem attacks, etc. The left knows they are on the ropes, and now all they can offer is to lash out instead of searching for any common ground and / or rational platform from which to sell their ideas. Tough debate? Bus in the thugs. <BR/><BR/>Look for continuance of the Republican majority in November and in 2008.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18376180.post-1160677858241815362006-10-12T11:30:00.000-07:002006-10-12T11:30:00.000-07:00I did think Reichert's honesty and personality cam...I did think Reichert's honesty and personality came through very well. As I mentioned earlier, Burner's response to the second amendment question was quite funny, but not because of its comedic value. It was funny because she was trying to use a catch phrase to answer the question and it did not work. Reichert responded with a better quote: "I also know how to use a gun." That response got quite a few laughs from a crowd well-aware of his background.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18376180.post-1160677639515474062006-10-12T11:27:00.000-07:002006-10-12T11:27:00.000-07:00She kept hitting Reichert for voting with the "Bus...She kept hitting Reichert for voting with the "Bush-party" -- it'd be interesting to have her give us a list of the issues where she disagrees with Pelosi.<BR/><BR/>As for her debate performance -- throwing out a bunch of rehearsed and memorized responses which don't address the question asked or the point your opponent's trying to make is no debate.<BR/><BR/>Her "response" when Steve Scher asked her what the Democratic plan for victory in Iraq was, should by itself completely shatter this misguided notion that she's "smart." She threw out some incomprehensible (but memorized) pablum about the Powell doctrine and about having an exit strategy before one goes to war. So the Democratic strategy for victory in Iraq at this point is having an exit strategy before we went to war. I guess now that we're already at war, their cunning and entirely novel plan can't be deployed. Too bad she did n't run for Congress four years ago, we really could have used someone back then who could throw out mindless cliches and nostrums. It would have given us pause before we went to war ...Juvenalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13395140346798161677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18376180.post-1160677151523750892006-10-12T11:19:00.000-07:002006-10-12T11:19:00.000-07:00To be fair, I don't know that she's ever actually ...To be fair, I don't know that she's ever actually said that she actually "founded it." But I did get the impression from some of her early campaign materials on line that she had some initial input in it. I didn't know it was that old.Orrin Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10382255042012493580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18376180.post-1160676713569205842006-10-12T11:11:00.000-07:002006-10-12T11:11:00.000-07:00hadn't heard that she "founded" Hoppers at Microso...hadn't heard that she "founded" Hoppers at Microsoft. But if she says so, it's a blatent lie. Hoppers was/is a a Women's organization at Microsoft founded in the late 1980 (way pre-Darcy). Any female employee could be a member of this group and the membership was kept anonymous from others (not sure why...but). Darcy was probably a member, but certainly not a founder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18376180.post-1160671551591308662006-10-12T09:45:00.000-07:002006-10-12T09:45:00.000-07:00Those same libertarians had better be ready to rem...Those same libertarians had better be ready to remedy the situation when the Democrats make good on their promises to raise taxes. It's no small thing to extricate an incumbent.<BR/><BR/>And like I said. Democrats? Maybe. But Darcy Burner? No way. I'd trade a Democrat majority in Congress if it meant purging her and her fellow travelers on the fringes like Kucinich, McDermott, and Pelosi.Orrin Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10382255042012493580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18376180.post-1160669696057725782006-10-12T09:14:00.000-07:002006-10-12T09:14:00.000-07:00True, and I don't doubt she would regulate gun rig...True, and I don't doubt she would regulate gun rights until they are gun privleges. <BR/><BR/>On the other hand, this, and the lack of anyone but Rosie O'Donnell calling for massive new gun control after the Amish shootings, is prima facie evidence of the complete route the left has suffered on this issue.Orrin Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10382255042012493580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18376180.post-1160666760823777372006-10-12T08:26:00.000-07:002006-10-12T08:26:00.000-07:00You don't go to Harvard or get into this law schoo...You don't go to Harvard or get into this law school without being smart. But being able to think on your feet - or on your own, for that matter - is another matter entirely. I've known some extremely dumb smart people.Orrin Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10382255042012493580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18376180.post-1160666146047803462006-10-12T08:15:00.000-07:002006-10-12T08:15:00.000-07:00Caught the beginning of the debate on WTV streamin...Caught the beginning of the debate on WTV streaming video last night. I say the beginning because I fell asleep during. Having had Darcy in most of my law school classes during her first year at the UW, I felt a little embarassed for her. Between the supporters shouting after they had been asked not to and her "wooden" persona, all I could think was "is she serious?" She was a much better speaker in class and despite what any of her detractors say, she is very bright. That said, she is pretty naive and it came through in class and it comes through in her debate and response to the issues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18376180.post-1160664258457727272006-10-12T07:44:00.000-07:002006-10-12T07:44:00.000-07:00I only was able to catch the tail end of the debat...I only was able to catch the tail end of the debate replayed on NPR last night. I thought Reichert was cool and handled himself well. Burner had the some hostile crowd members on her side, but every one of her answers sounded canned and, in a debate, that sounds less than genuine.<BR/><BR/>On a side note, the quote of the night had to be "I have a gun, and I know how to use it" -Burner in response to a question about the second amendment. Apparently she had a stalker in college and now has a gun and concealed weapon permit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com